I can not stop laughing! Boy those so called 144,000 with there meat at due season. I wish people would just give up on numbering. I bet the JW will revamp this numbering. Oh wait a minute that's probably why they keep a record of the great crowd. Hmmm!
Sarah Smiles
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Let's assign a number to the Great Crowd!
by Nathan Natas ina great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne..." -- revelation 7:9. .
from studies in the scriptures, volume 7, the finished mystery: .
the math is indisputable: 144,000 "priests" x 2,860 levites per priest = 411,840,000 "levites.
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Sunday Notes at the District Convention An emotional plea to young ones
by truthseeker incontinue following me john 21:19. much of the program was similar to the previous two days.
the fact that jesus has appeared in almost every talk title suggests that the society is once again morphing its tactics to persuade more persons that they arent an old testament cult but an alternative christian denomination.. i repeat my previous assertion that there is a manipulative intelligence at work here.
no ordinary person could possible have such foresight and such knowledge of human behavior to think and write the things these watchtower writers do.
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Sarah Smiles
Interesting! Thanks for posting about the convention. I think they are also trying to get new people buy not mention invisible between Christ and Coming.
see March 15 WT.
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OK, so let's test the Creationism advocates out here.............
by 5go ini responce to this post .
i'll start it off, then someone else give them a different challenge if you can think of any.. please give definitive examples that by evolution, a species has changed into something else.
give two separate findings by scientists, and it can't include any comments like "so we believe", "so we conclude that", or "the evidence shows that there could have been".....the wts has those copyrighted.. try and give un-doctored photographic proof, where possible, etc.
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Sarah Smiles
OH, yeah I was sitting in one of my classes and the instructor said something about Darwin theory of evolution. I was surprized to find out that Darwin was a christain.
It was completely different than how the JWs were teaching their children. I think God is fine with Darwin's theory! Jehovah might have thought, "Hey good job Darwin, yes Adam was not created in the garden of Eden, but on the outside of the garden. Prior to his moving into the garden, how long did it take me to create Adam? How long did he lay on the ground before he became a soul, I evolved Adam."
LOL, 1 day is like a thousand years, How long is an hour? hmmm! Ok that is far fetch. Jehovah would probably say, "Good job Darwin your thinking and had others think too! Your kind of close to creation theory."
I just think there are others way to view creation theory as we ex jw know it. I do not think that our Creator would be angry with Darwin! like some JWs would have us believe.
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OK, so let's test the Creationism advocates out here.............
by 5go ini responce to this post .
i'll start it off, then someone else give them a different challenge if you can think of any.. please give definitive examples that by evolution, a species has changed into something else.
give two separate findings by scientists, and it can't include any comments like "so we believe", "so we conclude that", or "the evidence shows that there could have been".....the wts has those copyrighted.. try and give un-doctored photographic proof, where possible, etc.
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Sarah Smiles
Historians have observed that the foundations for modern science were laid as early as the thirteenth century when scholars like Roger Bacon showed that Aristotle made certain mistakes about natural phenomena. Medieval science was based on authority -- primarily of Aristotle -- rather than observation. It developed through logic, rather than experimentation.[3] Both Copernicus and Galileo challenged Aristotle's authority, using experimentation in the spirit of modern science. The Biblical emphasis of the Reformation, just prior to this, had already paved the way for dropping Aristotle's authority; it also encouraged the rational investigation of our world.
Perhaps the most obvious affirmation that Biblical Christianity and science are friends and not foes comes from the fact that most of the early scientists after the Renaissance were also strong believers in the Bible as the authoritative source of knowledge concerning the origin of the universe and man's place in it.[4] The book of Genesis, the opening book of the Bible, presents the distinctly Judeo-Christian world view of a personal Creator God behind the origin and sustenance of the universe (Genesis 1:1; Colossians 1:17; etc.).
Among the early scientists of note who held the Biblical creationist world view are Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Sir Isaac Newton (1642-1727), and Samuel Morse (1791-1872) - what motivated them was a confidence in the "rationality" behind the universe and the "goodness" of the material world. The creation account in Genesis presents an intelligent, purposeful Creator, who, after completing the creation work, declared it to be very good (Genesis 1:31). That assures us that the physical universe operates under reliable laws which may be discovered by the intelligent mind and used in practical applications. The confidence in the divinely pronounced goodness of the material world removed any reluctance concerning the development of material things for the betterment of life in this world. The spiritual world and the material world can work together in harmony.
Genesis also gives another important motivation for the investigation of the laws of nature and application of it to technology. That is the divine mandate given to man to subdue the earth (Genesis 1:26-28). Obviously, the discovery of the laws of nature is the key to harnessing the powers of nature for man's use and control. Herein is the key to the motivation for developing technology. Genesis 4 records the earliest technological developments by man (4:21-22).
The world view held in many cultures, however, is different from the Biblical creationist view. Religions influenced by dualistic philosophies view the material world with suspicion and hostility. The material world is considered evil, while the spiritual world is considered good and noble. Renouncing this world became the mark of holiness. Equally detrimental to the development of science were world views that did not have a concept of a supreme personal Creator God. Some of the ancient civilizations, for example, which did develop some mathematics and technologies, did not develop general scientific theories, because of the absence of a creationist perspective that gives confidence in the existence of rational laws in nature. This clearly explains the lack of interest on the part of these cultures in scientific research and technology. It also shows how the Reformation, with its return to Biblical Christianity, spurred a phenomenal interest in fundamental research and technology. The great scientific advances and the industrial revolution that followed bear this out.
The Ethical Foundation of Technology
The rise of North America to dominance in technology is related to the Judeo-Christian foundation with which it started. The founding fathers of the United States of America were theists who believed in a Creator who gave moral rules by which to live. The work ethic they practiced also contributed to the rapid progress of the country. In this ethic, all honest work was regarded as dignified, not just the "white collar" jobs. This also has Christian roots. Jesus, the founder of Christianity, Himself chose the profession of a carpenter prior to His ministry. Along with this work ethic, there was also the right climate for initiating research. The free-enterprise system allowed individuals and private groups to carry on research and to develop technology.
There is no question that technology has given us untold blessings. But technology has also been used for monstrous destruction and human misery. This should alert us to the fact that technology, by itself, is not the means of salvation. Releasing the technology genie has caused our world to go out of control. The apocalyptic vision of some superdictator controlling humanity, using the incredible power of the computer or the atom, is no longer a laughing matter. The potential for deception through technology, coupled with the illegal use of technology, has also become a serious concern.
How can we hold in check the wrong use of technology? Here again, Christianity offers its powerful contribution. Jesus summed up the right law to live by in human relationships thus: "Love your neighbor as yourself." a powerful principle, indeed. It allows no justification for using technology to bring harm to others. On the positive side, this law encourages us to develop that which serves humanity. The ethical standards of Biblical Christianity also include the practice of honesty and integrity. The need for these in the handling of technology is being increasingly recognized.
The rise of evolutionist philosophy in the 19th century has led to the erosion of the epistemological and ethical foundations of sound technological advance. The collapse of moral absolutes resulting from it sets the stage for selfish and harmful use of technology. This poses a threat to the economic welfare of countries where easy credit is available and the appetite for more and more technological gadgets is insatiable.
There are hopeful signs, however. Evolution theory itself has now collapsed under scientific scrutiny. Further, the foundations have not been totally abandoned by scientists. They have been carrying on their research as usual, as if they believe in the design and orderly laws of the universe -- a belief that has its roots in the Judeo-Christian world view. The gospel of Christ cannot only hold in check the destructive use of technology by its emphasis on loving others as ourselves, but also provides the antidote for selfish greed, which is behind our runaway buying habits. Jesus emphasized that the abundance of things does not produce happiness.
Back in 1832, Darwin, during his famous trip on the "Beagle," visited Tierra del Fuego, the southern coastal region of South America inhabited by savage barbarians and observed man at his worst. Their depravity was shocking to him. Darwin swore that the Fuegian savages were untamable. Within a few years, however, the Fuegian savages were converted, through the efforts of a missionary sent by the South American Missionary Society who brought the gospel to these people. They were radically transformed into a rational and civilized people. Darwin was very impressed by the success of the Missionary Society. Keen to spread the blessings of civilization, Darwin sent donations to the mission for several years. Thirty-five years after his visit to Tierra del Fuego, he proudly accepted the invitation from the South American Missionary Society to become its honorary member.[5]
That power to transform individuals and nations is still available. The "Good News" Jesus brought is that the power to love others as ourselves is available to all, from the Creator. When we have that love, technology will be a blessing to all.
-- References --
- [1] Francis A. Schaeffer: How Should We Then Live (Revell, 1976), p. 132.
- [2] Henry M. Morris, Biblical Basis for Modern Science (Baker, 1991), p. 30.
- [3] Schaeffer, p. 131.
- [4] Henry M. Morris, Men of Science, Men of God (Master Books, CA, 1988), 107 pp.
- [5] Adrian Desmond & James Moore, Darwin (Warner Books, 1991), pp. 574,575.
* Dr. Varughese is Associate Professor of Computer Science in the School of Management and Technology, National University, Irvine, California, and adjunct professor of Physics at ICR.
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OK, so let's test the Creationism advocates out here.............
by 5go ini responce to this post .
i'll start it off, then someone else give them a different challenge if you can think of any.. please give definitive examples that by evolution, a species has changed into something else.
give two separate findings by scientists, and it can't include any comments like "so we believe", "so we conclude that", or "the evidence shows that there could have been".....the wts has those copyrighted.. try and give un-doctored photographic proof, where possible, etc.
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Sarah Smiles
You do realize that evolutionist just had a theory, most were christain. What about Darwin christain or not? He had a thought and people built upon it.
You do realize that the big bang theory reallly just started with ONE!
And that ONE was Jehovah, LOL
I think you need to get out of the theory and figure out if these people who started the theory were christains? I say yes!
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If Creationism is true explain races.
by DeViL DriVeR 76 inso the bible speaks of how multiple languages came to be in babylon with the tower of babel, you all know the story.
ok so thats the bibles view on languages but what about races?
how are some people light skin others dark?
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Sarah Smiles
What a wonderful creator we have, Jehovah.
I might be an exJehovah Witness but I still believe Jehovah explained everything to Job, "Where were you when I created!"
For Job it was so wonderful his mind could not understand, so why does anyone think today that they could even understand how Jehovah did it!
Some people are angry at the JWs but it has nothing to do with your personal relationship with Jehovah.
Nothing compares to the Bible answers to creations.
So I believe all races through time came from two of our parents, Adam and Eve.
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want to know what's weird?
by ninja inwe all know there is no mention of cats in the bible...not one....but another thing that's weird is that there is no reference to any people in the old testament taking their kids down to the beach to make sandcastles and stuff...why?
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Perhaps this is not about making sand castle in the wilderness, but it is something about children and their education.
Here is some information I found about the Hebrew children. When Abraham was looking for the promise land, the Mesopotamia children were attending schools. “Because of their semi nomadic way of life, few of the patriarchs and their descendents learned to read or write. But these skills were common among more settled peoples. For example, at Mari, an Amorite capital on the Euphrates River, some 20,000 clay documents have been discovered, along with the ruins of an ancient school. Students sat on the backless benches and wrote with styluses on heavy clay tablets. When a student finished on his tablet, he could erase his work by simply kneading the clay until it was smooth again.”
Unlike the Mesopotamia children, the children of Abraham had to memories the oral tradition about their ancestors. Some scholars believe that Abraham may have heard the great flood from clay tablets.
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My Story
by Missanna inok for some reason i can't sleep tonight and feel like writing so i'm gonna tell my story of how i got to this point.
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ahhhhm.
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Sarah Smiles
Thank you for your post, I am sooo sooo happy that you are young enough to figure some things out on your own. I am glad that you found someone that has some common interest as you do. It sounds like you both helped each other out during some tough times. Glad to see you hear and it is going to be very nice to read your future post.
If you do not like a counselor you can always find another one. Try to find someone who will listen to you and give you some really good feed back and,maybe some books to read.
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Where did I find this?
by Doug Mason ini have put a picture at http://au.geocities.com/doug_mason1940/twenty_time_proofs.pdf .
it is a photocopy i made about 30 years ago at the melbourne library.
stupid me never noted the source, and it might have been from ctr or from henninges.
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Sarah Smiles
1915? I remember reading something about 1915,so last week I went through some of Russell's writing thinking he wrote it. But now I am going to have to look in some of the JW books.
It not what your looking for, but when I read the 1915 doctrine I busted a gut, in fact I told a few JW that Jesus was not enthroned in 1914 because he was enthroned in 1915. I think it was in an old Truth book.
So I know how it is when you have one of those old quotes stuck in your head with out the book.
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want to know what's weird?
by ninja inwe all know there is no mention of cats in the bible...not one....but another thing that's weird is that there is no reference to any people in the old testament taking their kids down to the beach to make sandcastles and stuff...why?
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I started thinking about your post, Do you know what I thank was weird is that dolls were carried around by children. Why? Because they were idols.
How many J.W. girls and boys had dolls? I did! How come the JW allowed us to carry Idols? Because they were not considered idols during our time. Hmmm. I just found it interesting that the biggest wrong a person can do in the OT was to build an idol then bow down to it.
A History of Dolls
- Dolls have been a part of humankind since prehistoric times. Used to depict religious figures or used as playthings, early dolls were probably made from primitive materials such as clay, fur, or wood. No dolls have survived from prehistoric times, although a fragment of an alabaster doll with movable arms from the Babylonian period was recovered.
- Dolls constructed of flat pieces of wood, painted with various designs and with "hair" made of strings of clay or wooden beads, have often been found in Egyptian graves dating back to 2000 BC. Egyptian tombs of wealthy families have included pottery dolls. Dolls placed in these graves leads some to believe that they were cherished possessions.
- Dolls were also buried in Greek and Roman children's graves. Girls from Greece and Rome dedicated their wooden dolls to goddesses after they were too "grown-up" to play with dolls.
- Most ancient dolls that were found in children's tombs were very simple creations, often made from such materials as clay, rags, wood, or bone. Some of the more unique dolls were made with ivory or wax. The main goal was to make the doll as "lifelike" as possible. That ideal lead to the creation of dolls with movable limbs and removable garments, dating back to 600 B.C.
Do you all remember that we could not own a good luck doll, yet we still had our dolls. I think it is kind of funny now!